On Thursday night, PBS Amanpour and Company guest host Bianna Golodryga welcomed President and CEO of Planned Parenthood Great Planes Emily Wales to blame pro-lifers for their own falsehoods about various states’ new pro-life laws.
Wales immediately followed a Texas woman who was on to share her story of denied care for a miscarriage. But instead of blaming the doctor for not being able to read, Golodryga simply asked her, “How do you respond to that?”
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After describing the story as “devastating,” Wales took aim at other states, “You know, before we lost access to care in Oklahoma. We were actually providing care to many, many people from Texas who are coming across state lines because Texas had a six-week abortion ban in effect for months before Roe fell. And we heard from patients again and again who said, ‘I talked to my provider who said they would love for me to get care locally, but they are scared, or they don’t understand the law, and I had to cross state lines.’”
Wales also alleged this is true of women in Missouri and Arkansas, which led Golodryga to claim:
And you can understand how emotionally scarring it is for these families and these women to come forward, like Marlena. You know, we’ve been talking about, sort of, the unintended consequences of what happens when Roe was overturned. And this has to deal with women wanting to go or having to go to their doctors for a DNC while they’re miscarrying or ectopic pregnancies. This opens the door to so many secondary issues that come to the forefront in light of this new ruling. Talk about what you’re seeing on the ground there, and the numbers behind these incidents, again, of unintended consequences stemming from this ruling.
Oklahoma’s law says in plain, simple English that the a procedure is not an abortion if done to “remove a dead unborn child caused by spontaneous abortion”—in other words, a miscarriage— or to “remove an ectopic pregnancy.” Arkansas has the exact same language, while Missouri’s definition of an abortion cannot be honestly be interpreted to mean miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies.
Still, Wales insisted confusion remains, causing Golodryga to ask, “Can I get you to respond to what the president of Texas Right to Life said about this issue? And he said ‘I have seen reports of doctors being confused. But that is a failure of our medical associations to provide clear guidance.’”
Before actually getting to Wales’s response, Golodryga blamed the lawmakers, as if explicitly saying treatments for miscarriages and ectopic pregnancies are not abortions wasn’t clear enough, “What is your reaction to that sort of, you know, not pitting the blame on the legislators who are writing these laws, but on the doctors who are really there, you know, providing these services and clearly, not knowing exactly what they can and can’t do legally?”
Wales was happy to blame the lawmakers, charging them with making laws about things they do not understand and that insisting the fears “are real.” The fears may be real, but it isn’t the fault of the laws.