9 Things I Would Ask an Abortionist Over Coffee

Opinion   Josh Brahm   Jun 23, 2014   |   4:26PM    Washington, DC

Daniel from Canada recently asked me this question: “What should pro-lifers say to someone who performs abortions?” He commented that this would be a good follow-up to my recent posts on what pro-lifers should say to someone who wishes they had been aborted, is happy about her abortion, or someone who has post-abortive friends.

There were recently good discussions on this question at the Secular Pro-Life and Jill Stanek blogs, and I also asked the question to my followers on my Facebook page. This post is a combination of my own thoughts and my favorite comments from other pro-life advocates on this topic.

coffeeThese opportunities can actually happen. Sidewalk counselors are in an especially good position to develop friendships with abortionists. Abby Johnson’s book “Unplanned” recounts the impact that the kind members of Coalition for Life had on Abby. I had the great privilege of coaching my friend Don Blythe, a sidewalk counselor in Modesto and Stockton, who was having a congenial email exchange with the abortionist at his local abortion facility. He’s also had multiple conversations with other abortionists since.

Before I get to the list, I think that the best environment for conversations like this would be at a neutral place like a coffee shop, as opposed to the sidewalk in front of the abortion facility. This may not always be possible, but if the abortionist was willing to meet once a month for coffee, I would take that opportunity in a heartbeat. (No pun intended.)

To my non-Christian readers, religion is about to happen, but it’s important to explain where I’m coming from on this topic.

As Paul, commenting at Jill Stanek’s blog, points out, sharing a meal with a person that some consider “scum” would be following in the footsteps of Jesus:

When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.

Matthew 9:11-13 (NIV)

Commenter Sydney posted a wonderful Charles Spurgeon quote on why we should be willing to meet with people like this:

If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.

If meeting for coffee wasn’t possible, I think an email exchange can be very fruitful if you’re especially careful to point out common ground when possible. Remember, in an email exchange, you can’t benefit from nonverbal communication, which makes a huge impact when discussing a contentious topic like abortion.

Note: According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, there were approximately 1,720 abortion providers in the U.S. in 2011, a 4% decline from 2008. There are both men and women performing abortions, but for the sake of this article, I’m going to use male pronouns when referring to the hypothetical abortionist I could talk to. I’m not trying to imply anything about men or women performing abortions with this choice – I simply don’t want to say “him or her” every single time I refer to this image-bearer who performs abortions for a living.

If I could meet with an abortionist, I might ask one or more of these questions:

#1: Are you married?

When I interviewed my friend Abby Johnson for this article, she explained that when she meets an abortionist for the first time, she tries to get to know him and doesn’t ask a ton of questions. “Spend most of your first meeting listening to him,” Abby said. “Get to know him! Is he married? What’s his family like? Does he have kids? What do they love to do? Ask the kinds of questions you would ask someone at your church that you’re getting to know.”

Abby urged that pro-life people take a relationship like this slowly. Don’t try to convert him in one meeting! “Take it slow. Conversion takes time and trust,” Abby said.

Given that good advice, I’m going to offer some more questions you may ask, but these could be spread out over a long series of meetings. Most of these may be more appropriate for after you’ve gotten to know each other and built some trust. Each person will probably be different. Some of these you may never want to ask the person, and you’ll develop the art of learning what not to ask if you spend enough time talking to people who believe differently than you. (It may even take making some mistakes to learn what signs to look for.)

Think of the rest of these questions as tools for your toolbox.

Keep something else in mind: Many abortionists fear for their very lives when they see pro-life advocates. Obviously we shouldn’t all be lumped in with the people who have killed abortionists. (I don’t call these people “pro-life.”) But if you put yourself in the shoes of someone who performs abortions and get in touch with the fear that many of them live with every time they go to work, you may develop an empathy for that part of their lives. Nobody wants to go to work thinking they might be killed or blown up. Many abortion facilities even have bullet-proof glass.

Given that, I think it would take a lot more courage for an abortionist to meet with you than it takes for you to meet with him.

Abby Johnson agreed and said, “Be thankful that he took this courageous step in the first place.”

#2: Tell me how you got involved in the work that you do.

This is one of the first questions Abby Johnson asks abortionists.

Notice this question is much more conversational than something like, “You didn’t grow up wanting to kill babies, did you?” One question is asked with an open-heart, and the other is accusatory and will probably shut down the conversation before it’s really begun.

Abby offered another piece of helpful advice: Don’t make any assumptions about this person. “Don’t call him an ‘abortionist,’ because he might do other things too,” Abby said. “There are very few full-time abortion doctors in the United States right now. This person might be an OB-GYN and deliver babies four days out of the week!”

I think there’s a second reason not to call him an “abortionist,” which is also a point Matt Casper made on my Facebook wall. Dialogues tend to go better when you call people what they want to be called. In this case, this person would want to be called a “doctor.” Regardless of whether or not you believe pro-lifers should refer to abortionists as doctors among themselves, I wouldn’t call this person an abortionist to his fact because the potential value of our good conversations is much higher than the supposed value of calling him an “abortionist.”

#3: Do you find your work meaningful, and if so, what makes it the most meaningful to you?

My friend Jasmin Aprile posted this question on my Facebook page. It’s similar to a very common question that pro-lifers recommended asking, “What drives you to perform abortions?” I like Jasmin’s because I suspect it won’t come across with the judgmental attitude that this abortionist is certainly expecting to come from a pro-life advocate.

Remember, you can have the right heart, but still ask a question that the other person is likely to misunderstand. You may have a genuine curiosity about this person when you ask, “What drives you to perform abortions,” but the abortionist may hear you asking, “What motivates you to kill babies every day?”

Everybody wants to find meaning in their work. Unless this person is in this solely for the money, and people’s motivations are usually much more complex than that, this person probably believes that he’s doing something good for the world. Perhaps he believes that he’s helping protect women from being enslaved by their reproductive systems. Perhaps he believes that he’s helping keep abortion access available in his area at a time when the number of abortionists is dwindling.
You will almost certainly disagree with the premises that lead to this person choosing to perform abortions for a living, but you won’t learn where this particular abortionist is coming from until you ask questions like this.

#4: Do you think pro-life and pro-choice people should work together to provide resources and support to women in crisis?

Jasmin Aprile recommends asking this:

common ground arrow 2I assume we both agree that it is incredibly important to help women in crisis; (if so) I think we simply differ in the best means to accomplish that. Would we agree that both pro-life and pro-choice people should work together to provide resources and support to women in crisis so that those who do want to keep their children are empowered to do so?

This question has great potential for finding common ground. You both might have a discussion on what would be the most helpful to women in crisis, but you will both learn more about each other’s views by engaging in that discussion.

The abortionist may get into a rant about dishonest crisis pregnancy centers, but you can just respond that you agree that pregnancy resource centers should never use dishonest tactics. Click the embedded video below to watch an interview I recorded with our local Pregnancy Care Center director about this subject.

#5: Do you believe the unborn is a living, human organism?

My formerly pro-choice friend Deanna suggested this one. I like how clear it is. If you just ask, “do you think the unborn is human,” you open the possibility for equivocation. That’s when two people are using the same word in a conversation, but they mean different things by that word. You may mean “biologically human” while the other person might think you mean “valuable person with rights.”

With this question, it’s pretty likely the person you’re talking to understands that you’re asking a question about the biology of the unborn. Is it biologically alive? Is it biologically a member of the human species? Is it a unique organism, separate from the mother?

8 weeks after fertilization. Image credit: Life Issues Institute

Deanna also recommended this follow-up question, about the philosophical side of the debate:

#6: What do you think makes life valuable?

Why is this question worded so well? It assumes (almost certainly accurately) that the abortionist believes that there are people whose lives have value.

When I hear some pro-life advocates talk about abortionists, the implication is that the abortionists agree there are no morally relevant differences between the unborn and the born, but they don’t think any life has intrinsic value.

I think it’s much more likely that abortionists agree that born people have value, but they ground that value differently than pro-life people do. Perhaps the abortionist thinks you need to be viable to have basic rights, and he only does abortions on pre-viable children. Perhaps the abortionist thinks you’re not morally relevant until you have a fully-functioning neocortex. He may even believe that you’re not a person until after you’re born and are self-aware (by some definitions). Those views are still different from having this dark view that no life is valuable, and any life can be taken at will.

We’re trying to understand where the abortionist is coming from, and asking an open-ended question like this may successfully draw out his perspective.

#7: What would it take to change your mind about the morality of abortion?

Everybody should be able to answer this question. I know that my mind could be changed about abortion legality if I was convinced that bodily rights arguments successfully accomplish what they are designed to accomplish. I would also need to believe that when the Bible talks about caring for the most vulnerable in society–like widows and orphans–doesn’t include caring for the unborn.

If the abortionist is a thoughtful person, and some absolutely are, he will already know what it would take to change his mind about abortion. This information will reveal a lot about his thinking on the topic.

Jasmin Aprile recommends this alternative:

Would you say that, hypothetically, if the unborn are valuable persons like you and I, that abortion would be wrong?

[If yes: proceed to the Equal Rights Argument. If no: proceed to the way we respond to bodily rights arguments.]

#8: Are there any situations where you would not perform an abortion?

Kim Sheldan Padan recommended this question and these follow-ups:

Would he refuse aborting after 20 weeks gestation? For gender selection? And if so…why?

I love this question because it’s total common ground territory. You might even consider asking this one early in the conversation, especially if the abortionist seems hostile. If he responds, “Yeah, I wouldn’t do an abortion on a girl if I knew the parents were aborting solely because of gender,” you can respond, “Yeah, I disagree with sex-selection abortions too. I’ve talked to lots of pro-choice people who are also opposed to sex-selection abortions, but often for varying reasons. Can you help me understand why you wouldn’t perform a sex-selection abortion?”

#9: Are you aware that there are resources for abortion doctors who want to change their career path?

He may already be aware of Abby Johnson’s And Then There Were None ministry, but I would want to make sure of it. I believe there are some people in the abortion industry who are there mainly because they feel trapped. They don’t think they could get another job and it’s a bad economy. Abby’s ministry has helped 115 clinic workers leave the industry, and this abortionist you’re talking to could be the next if he knows about the resources and has an openness to changing careers.